Buckdog

Thanks, Leftdog. I've linked up to you and to the story.

Money Bags4Me: I'm missing something here. Are you saying that the treaties were signed between races?

If you had ever read any Canadian history you would know that the treaties were signed between nations. That fact that the majority of the signators of either side happened to be either aboriginal or caucasian makes no difference to the validity of those documents as treaties.

If you understood the treaties you would also understand that coverage under the treaties is based on criteria other than the colour of ones skin.

Perhaps you are familiar with the term "Non-Status Indian"? That is certainly a situation where colour of skin or lineage does not conmfer special rights.

So your argument that colour of skin confers special rights in Canada is at best sophistic reasoning.

I must have hit a nerve there, 'eh?! Oh and by the way, I notice that you use American spellings like 'color'. Do you have a photo of Gerorge Bush on your wall that you worship daily???

ATTENTION BUCKDOG READERS: We have an individual who posts here who is a front for the CTF. He is particularly angry at Buckdog because we caught him doing something that got him into trouble. As a result, his anger appears here almost daily. Now he is using CTF 'logic' as it relates to First Nations issues.
Here is the link to the CTF 'aboriginal policy' area of their site. Take a look at the twisted ideology that the CTF advocates on relations with our First Nations citizens:
Link to CTF nonsense

The average first nations family of four gets $30,000 a year from the feds......excuse me, but I do not want any more of my tax dollars goings towards the racist reserves system. Amend the constitution and get rid of them. I've seen chiefs use federal money to buy their buddies golf memberships. I've seen the corruption in issuing public works contracts. Its a lost cause.

Throwing more money at a problem is a typical left wing solution that solves nothing.

Money bags, digger and phil,

You realize that it is a well established fact in Canadian law that all treaties signed between the Queen and natives were between soveriegn nations and not conquered peoples (othewise, no treaty needed). The Canadian government, representing the Queen, was granted access to native lands in exchange for certain rights and privileges. Access for a railway line or a road was granted by the natives in return for unfettered hunting and fishing rights, or rental payments.

These are legally binding contracts and agreements - offer, aceptance and consideration.

Since these were originally entered into, the Canadian government has taken over title to much of that land (not something the natives agreed to, hence the current "land claims" issues) and began managing native affairs for them, in a paternalistic manner, believing that natives were inferior and not capable of running their own affairs. They attempted to assimilate natives and destroy their cultures so they could get out of their treaty obligations.

It was the Canadian government that did all this, based on race. You all are now saying that it is ok for the Canadian government to do this, for the goverment to violate its contractual obligations or to attempt to destroy the other party o that contract, in order to get away with not fufilling its obligations.

Imagine if you ran your business like that? I think it would be called "fraud" and it is the method of "La Cosa Nostra".

From my perspective, it is you who are trying to use the excuse of racism to get out of paying for your legal obligations simeply because you don't want to pay what was promised.

Or it is you who are racist and do not want to admit it?

Or just greedy and not wanting to live up to the terms of a signed contract?

You know if you don't like the contract, negotiate a new one...like say, the Kelowna Accord.

The colour of ones skin does not confer special privileges. A signed and legally binding contract does. Relations with natives in Canada is not about race, but about signed contracts between soveriegn entities. As a member of the CTF and presumably a 'right winger' one would think you were familiar with this concept.

Bags, you are hilarious.

The Queen, represented by the Government of Canada, signed the contracts with the soveriegn native "nations" - its why they are called "Treaties" and until they are renegotiated, they have the full force of law.

I would recommend googling "Robinson Huron Treaty" or "Robinson Superior Treaty" as two example of such a contract made between the Government of Canada (a soveriegn entity) and the Ojibwa-Cree nations of Northern Ontario (also soveriegn entities).

That you personally didn't sign it is irrelevant, it is a legally binding contract nonetheless. For a conservative, you seem to know very little about contract law.

As for the well established prinicpals of native law, try these:

http://www.bloorstreet.com/300block/ablawleg.htm

http://www.bloorstreet.com/200block/brintro.htm

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/trts/hti/site/index_e.html

Pay particular attention to the Royal Proclaimation of 1763 and the SCC decisions.

moneybagsfor me said, "Tell you what, Mike, you find an actual contract that I signed with some actual living aboriginal agreeing to be his/her meal ticket and I'll start writing cheques."

Do you see the absolutely nasty and ignorant tone of this individual? Fanatical rightwing extremists such as this are very very dangerous people.

Their world view is so twisted and hate filled that we must constantly be vigilant of them and NEVER be afraid to take them on and point out the flawed logic and mean spiritedness of their message.

I often wonder what has to happen in terms of 'life experience' for an innocent little child to grow up and be as angry, nasty and ignorant as the individual we see spewing his right wing venom on this blog site.

Clearly it must be some form of psychological dysfunction because of its complete anti-social and anti-societal premise. In the twisted world view of the extreme right wing, there is a consistent tone of total self centeredness. They care not for anyone but themselves, they do not comprehend community or public service.

Sad, very sad.

Now, this individual will respond with a typically nasty, self serving little retort that he will think is either 'witty' or cute. It will demonstrate my argument completely.

Hey moneybagsforme, your extreme rightwing nutbar 'Canadian Taxpayer Federation' roots are showing! You are beyond logic!

Good for you! I, like you, received the same. Too bad you have no recognition of the fact that many small children do not get the benefit of that thru no fault of their own. Not everyone is born with the same blessings that you and I have had. I was raised in an environment that taught 'that which you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me'.

Why then the nasty, hateful, hurtful world view for the less fortunate that comes from the right wing? Why? Those of us on the left simply do not get what your anger at the poor is all about?????

How could the Conservatives follow a organization like the U.N. as they sit by and do nothing about the hundreds of thousands of Africans who die each day.. the U.N does nothing.. hey they have Libya as the Human rights watchdog... hahaha...