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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 

Tories Plan More Tax Cuts

Remember the 'massive' 1 cent tax cut that Mr. Harper gave you! Wasn't that a wonderful gift! He then proceeded to hand a $13 Billion surplus to the banks! (Once cent for you - $13 billion for banks!). You gotta love Tory priorities!

Anyway, now that things on Harper's agenda are not going that well (Afghanistan, Fiscal Imbalance, budget cuts, dropping poll numbers) he has decided that he needs to cut your taxes again!!

Somehow I just can't get excited when I hear Tory hype. If he wanted to give the people of Canada some real tax relief, he had an opportunity with the surplus.

Oh well, perhaps after his tax cut I will be able to top off my 'penny jar'.

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Whooee! I can't figger out howcum voters buy this sorta BS. Everytime we get a Con gummint an' everytime the Merkins get a Repub gummint, there's big troublems in the economy. Bush Sr. - "read my lips" Bush Jr. - biggest deficit ever. 13 years o' Grit gummint surpluses is goin' down the drain with Harpoon spendin' all our dough proppin' up warlords an' dope dealers in Afghanistan.

JB

The last time the Tories announced a "tax cut" I ended up paying more taxes (for me, the increases they quietly announced outweighed the cuts they loudly trumpeted).

I don't think I can afford another Tory tax cut. If this is anything like the last time, I may need to get a second job!

Buckdog our net national debt is currently 485 Billion dollars. Do you think we shouldn't pay it down?

If a big chunk of the surplus had been given to the citizens (NOT BUSINESS), likely almost the total amount would have been spent by the people - raising more GST for the Federal government - that spinoff taxation could have gone to the banks as debt repayment.

If the tories want to pretent that they put people and families first then they had an opportunity to do that but they did not.

As for debt - perhaps if the corporate taxation that has been deferred or is in arrears, would be paid, that might just lower the debt as well.

My point is this - Tories are full of nice promises and little delivery.

LD, be careful. That's an argument for tax reduction. We wouldn't want you to lose your card now would we?

Surplus == 100% tax dollars.
Return the surplus 100% to the citizens.
Citizens "likely almost" spend 100% and pay 6% GST on that.

All fine and good . . . but what if we just cut out the middle man.

Maybe the CPC have a good idea. Drop that one-time surplus on the debt and reduce the interest payments, forever. Cut the tax so that we don't have surpluses. Leave 100% in the hands of the taxpayers who will likely spend it and then the gov't will get its GST and the economy will have more money moving in it.

That's exactly what you said . . . without the part about stealing it from the citizen in the first place.

Cheers,
lance

So you spend 13 billion on beer and pizza. Six per cent goes back to the government as GST. And this is used to pay down the debt. Veeerrryyy, vvveeerrryyy ssllloowwllyy. Yeah. Great plan. You really must try to understand the concept of compound interest before you piss on other people's RESPONSIBLE fiscal policies.

I live in Saskatchewan where we had Conservative government for 9 long years!

During the 9 years the Conservatives were the government here they DID NOT balance even ONE budget!

They grew the Debt by over $12 Billion and when they were done, 16 Conservative Members of the Legislature were CONVICTED of FRAUD and BREACH OF TRUST.

I have seen the 'RESPONSIBLE fiscal policies' of Conservatives before.

Why did the Mulroney gov't get thrown out in 1993 when you Tories only won TWO SEATS IN ALL OF CANADA! Crooks!

Don't talk to us about 'responsible conservative fiscal policies' because it is CRAP!!!

Boogey, boogey boo, Grant Devine! AHHHHH!

Sheeh. The left side of the sphere makes as much sense regarding that boogey-man as the right does by blaming everything on Tom Douglas.

Get some new talking points already LD, the 1980's were so last century. Not many gov'ts of any stripe balanced budgets when the Tories ran Saskatchewan.

9 YEARS!!!

If that isn't pathetic, I don't know what is.

Cheers,
lance

Wow Buck,

Taker easy. Sorry you had a rough ride with a Conservative government during a recession. My Conservative government in Alberta seems to be doing pretty well for itself, which is why every province is sending it's young souls here, from Calvert's Saskatchewan even.

Also, this is just asinine: He then proceeded to hand a $13 Billion surplus to the banks! (Once cent for you - $13 billion for banks!). You gotta love Tory priorities!

To the banks? As if we didn't borrow money from them? Do you realise that the entire $13B wouldn't have existed as government revenue if the Chretien government didn't reduce the debt as much as it did. The debt reduced between 1997-2004 reduced YEARLY debt servicing charges of about $15B, for which we get nothing.

The point is, the more and the faster we pay off the debt, the less we pay yearly to service that debt, and get absolutely nothing in return. You make it sound positively malicious, when it actually makes tons of sense.

You know what lance - your point will ONLY be VALID when the last of your tax dollars pays off the last of Devine's debt - auditor said in August that there is still about $6 Billion left - I generally have a lot of respect for your opinion BUT I AM NOT BUYING YOUR NONSENSE ABOUT STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON CORRUPT CRIMINAL TORIES!

And if it was a non issue, why are the Conservatives in Sask still under the 'Witness Protection Plan' with their phony baloney party that they call 'the SASKTACHEWAN PARTY' - sorry pal .... your bias is showing!!!!

LANCE - and if you read carefully, the only time I bring up 'Devine' is when I have some Tory trying to tell me:
a) how 'honest' Conservatives are
b)that the Libs were the most corrupt government.

When a Tory tells me that kind of crap, I remind them of the history of their own party.

Olaf said: "The point is, the more and the faster we pay off the debt, the less we pay yearly to service that debt, and get absolutely nothing in return. You make it sound positively malicious, when it actually makes tons of sense."

Yeah - so responsible he is ... but WHAT is he going to slash next as an excuse for a tax cut?

I simply can't understand why you think Harper is so good?
He is a liar - a promise breaker - and a 'flim flam' artist.

He has sat in Parliament as a:
-Reform party MP
-Alliance party MP
-Conservative MP
(kind like the old shell game - keep mixing it up until he can win government and then IMPOSE HIS RIGHT WING NONSENSE ON THE NATION!!

Unbelievable that you can defend that kind of slight of hand crap!

Whaaa???

Reform merged into Alliance, which merged into the CPC. You act like they're exclusive entities.

keep mixing it up until he can win government and then IMPOSE HIS RIGHT WING NONSENSE ON THE NATION!!

You make it sound like he spearheaded a military coup. More people voted for him than for any of the other parties. It's that simple. So Canadian's imposed it on themselves.

38 percent of Canadians voted for him. That is not a mandate to drastically change the nation which is what he has in mind with his 'rebranding' crap.

How you can defend him is beyond belief.

I don't condone the Grant Devine gov't. What certain people did was criminal. Those people were charged and they went to jail.

The party paid their own price. Virtually eliminated in the election, finally giving up the ghost when the sole survivors joined with the Liberals to create the SP's.

It's history. The Progressive Conservative party and the ideologies of the party didn't break the law. People did.

It's as wrong to assert that the current crop of conservatives, SP or CPC, share morals and integrity with those 14 people.

After all, it isn't like we use Harcourt and Bingogate as a metric to which the NDP are held.

Cheers,
lance

Lance said, "It's as wrong to assert that the current crop of conservatives, SP or CPC, share morals and integrity with those 14 people."

So you believe that no Tory is talking about Bob Rae's $1 Billion deficit when he was Ontario's premier? Isn't that history like the Devine stuff.

Hell, Brad Wall talks history every day when he claims that Tommy Douglas kept Sask from becoming an oil player like Alberta.

I think it is unfair to expect me to remain silent on Devine, when my political adversaries do ALL THE TIME what you want me to stop doing.

That's a double standard. No thanks.

I am not going to let the remnants of Devine's crooked bunch off the hook that easy. And you KNOW who worked for him that wants to get elected soon. That is a fight that we are going to have yet in this province, like it or NOT.

Here is a post from Giant Political Mouse in the same vein - I found it VERY FUNNY!!!!

Conservatives and handcuffs

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